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Relationships: Why Are Some Women Attracted To Abusive Men?

10/6/2013

54 Comments

 
For some women out there, it can seem as though they have a sign on their forehead that says ‘’abusive men only’’. And this is due to their experience of only attracting men who are abusive.

It may even go further than this and a woman could come to the conclusion that all men are the same. Here, not just one man or the men that she attracts will be seen as abusive, but every man on the planet.

But whether a woman has formed one of the views above or another one, it is unlikely to lead to a sense of hope or to a good outlook of the opposite sex. To attract a man who is respectful, loving and kind for instance, can seem like nothing more than a dream or good idea.

The Illusion

However, like any women who has been attracted to an abusive man will know; how they first appear is completely different to who they later become. This is like any other kind of trap that is used to entice someone or something. It has to be appealing and gratifying or it wouldn’t work.

And although this man could come across as being a certain way, there is going to many ways that this comes across. It could be that the man is: confident, self assured, funny, supportive, charming, kind or intelligent and many other ways.

Together these traits can be powerful, but just one of these traits can be enough to attract a women.

Emotional State

When it comes to the type of abuser that a woman will be attracted to, it can depend on where she is at emotionally. Even though different women can be attracted to different traits, the consequences are generally the same, with the end result being some kind of abuse

And while some women will have a certain emotional state their while life and for others this state can be the result of experiencing a loss or during a time of stress and pain.

So, by a women being vulnerable, either as a result of a recent occurrence or through her natural disposition, she will be drawn in by the abuser. And as they feel at a lower place in some way, it is then only natural for them to be attracted to a male that appears to posses that which they do not have.

Conscious And Unconscious

In the case of the woman who is feeling vulnerable or needy as a result of a recent occurrence, this is likely to be felt at a conscious level, but for the woman who has felt needy or vulnerable for most of her life, it could be fairly unconscious and rarely known consciously.

And this is where these two types of women are often different. If a women has felt vulnerable for most of her life, to be with an abusive male can feel normal. But, if a woman has only felt this way recently, then being with an abusive male may soon create discomfort.

This means that this type of women could soon leave the abuser, as it’s not what feels normal. Or it could mean that they will gradually get used to it over time and therefore put up with the abuse.

It’s Familiar

For women who have felt vulnerable their whole life, it may feel normal to be with a man that is abusive. And when it comes to women who haven’t felt this way their whole life, it is unlikely to feel normal.

This is not to say that they consciously feel this way, but at a deeper level it can feel familiar and therefore safe. And this can relate to how they were treated as a child; with these early experiences being mirrored in their interactions and relationships with men.

The Disconnection

As a result of these experiences happening a long time ago, it can lead to a kind of amnesia. But although the mind has forgotten about these early experiences, the body hasn’t. The kind of relationships that a woman is having with a man can then match these early experiences.

And yet through a women being cut off from those times, it can all seem random and as something that is happening to them, as opposed to something they are actively playing a part in.

The First Model

When it comes to how a women views a man and the kind of man that she feels comfortable with, the primary influence is the father. How she was treated by her father and how her father treated her mother will have a massive impact.

And regardless of whether this early behaviour was functional or dysfunctional, it will be what the ego mind formed as familiar and therefore safe. This is what can create conflict: a woman is not going to want to relive them, if the early experiences were dysfunctional or unhealthy.

But as the ego mind has associated these experiences as being what is familiar and safe; it will mean that they will continue to attract men who mirror these experiences in some way.

The Early Wound

This doesn’t mean that women had to have a father who was extremely abusive to attract a man who is abusive; it could be that these early experiences created an early wound and this lead to a tolerance for abuse. And over time, they gradually become more accepting of abuse.

Awareness

In order to attract a man who is not abusive, it will be important to let go of what the ego mind has come to associate as familiar and therefore safe. This could mean that repressed emotions will also have to be released.

As these emotions are released, the type of man that a woman is attracted to will change. This process can be assisted with the help of a therapist, healer, trusted friend or a coach for example

If you feel this has been of value, please leave a comment, like or get in touch. And feel free to share this article.

Oliver J R Cooper
http://www.oliverjrcooper.co.uk/
54 Comments
sam
10/7/2013 09:11:29 am

As someone who has over 20 years personal experience on this matter..id like to say well written :-)
Obviously I could add soooo much more! But you summed it up well...
Sam

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Oliver J R Cooper link
10/7/2013 09:49:08 am

Hello Sam,

as this comment has come from someone with so much experience, it carries a lot of weight. So thank you for your feedback.

All the best,

Oliver

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Georgi
2/10/2013 01:23:55 pm

I am 17 and I was with one guy from when I was 14 for 2 and a half years who hit me because 'I needed to learn' and emotionally abused me with possessiveness and hurtful comments. he pulled me away from my friends and I became dependent on him and depressed. I then went to a different college to him. After 4 months of college I finally got out of this relationship after my parents told me to. I never saw this guy again. a couple hours after I broke up with him a male friend who id discussed this with sed he was attracted to me and a week later we started going out and he made me feel confident and that my last boyfriend was just unfair. then he began to change and even said one day when I didn't want to do physical stuff with him in public that he could understand why my ex boyfriend hit me and became very temperamental. I stayed in this relationship for 6 months and there were good times as he was nice but for every good time I knew there would be a bad time. he pulled me away from my family saying they were bad from me and wanted me only to spend time with him and his family. I was scared of him making my college life horrible as id had such a horrible school experience of people throwing things and laughing at me in class but a friend told me this wasn't a reason to stay with him. I broke up with him eventually but have to see him every day as were both doing the same course at college. he says horrible things behind my back and is trying to turn my friends against me but wont say anything to my face. when I confronted him he told me that these things all happened to me because I 'pissed people off' and that it was my fault and everyone hates me I just had to realise. and then he told me never to speak to him again so I deleted his number and of social networks and all pictures of us. you say this is cause by having an unhealthy relationship with my father but my parents are still together and hes never abused me or my mum so I don't understand what went wrong with these relationships and if its a pattern or unlucky coincidence. and was he right is it really my fault?

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Oliver J R Cooper link
3/10/2013 10:20:12 am

Hello Georgi,

it sounds like you have gone through a lot of challenges. There are exceptions to every rule and so the above will not apply to every woman. And without knowing more about you and your history, it would be hard for me to say what else it could be.

I also wouldn't look at it from a place of it being your fault, as that can cause you to blame yourself. And what happened to your is not something you deserved.

If this continues to be a problem in your life, I would recommend that you speak to some kind of therapist and they can assist you in moving beyond this challenge.

I hope that helps.

All the best,

Oliver

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Deb Ganney
1/9/2014 08:39:44 am

Georgi, THIS WAS DEFINITELY NOT YOUR FAULT. Abusers cannot accept responsibility and due to their feelings of low self esteem and confidence levels they feel empowered by beating up their partners. I found most a right fighters (they are never wrong) They take as being wrong a sign of weakness. A woman should never accept responsibility of someone else's actions especially someone who states they love them. Love is an acronym for trust, mutual respect, accountability, personal failures and success.. Always try to remember you cannot control some one's actions, for they do not belong to you as yours do not belong to someone else's. You mentioned he had changed once you were into the relationship. People do not change, Their masks fall off. Some things in life are not in our control and an abusers thoughts and actions are or should be at the top of the list. When a woman says she loves the abuser My personal views are she loves the person she first met or the person she wishes him to be. A woman should love herself so much that she does not need a man,but wants one in her life,to share life with. Abusers can pick out the vulnerability in a woman. I was in a 20 year marriage with someone who emotionally abused me and my children..Yes the were his also. No matter what I did or did not do he picked me apart because it was not his way of doing things and his way was right, everyone else was wrong. I finally could not take it any more and packed up with the kids. Love yourself enough to find out why you keep attracting these type of men. Make yourself a checklist and every potential date, pay attention to their body language and conversation. If they just talk mostly about themselves and take very little interest in you,walk away. I wish you thr best in having a fulfilling relationship(s) in your life. Every woman deserves what she is looking for and I don't think an abuser would make thr check list.

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Liz
13/4/2020 06:37:36 pm

I’ve literally 24hours left a mentally abusive marriage, started one month after we married, would have been 3rd anniversary in October. Our first 10months of the relationship was the happiest I’ve ever been (I’m 54) . I’ve read a lot in 24 hours and your comment really made sense. The mask came off, that really made sense. I’m bereaving the man I had for those special, happiest 10 months.

sophie mullervey
30/12/2013 04:43:36 am

I would like to say thank you for this article, as someone who has always attracted violent abusive men I needed to read this. I've just gone into a new relationship that already has all the warning signs. I spent a year in therapy and although I still need to do further work on self love my gut has learnt to react strongly to warning signs.

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Oliver J R Cooper link
30/12/2013 04:59:37 am

Hello Sophie,

thank you for getting in touch, I appreciate your feedback. And the main thing is that you are aware of this and also that you listen to your body.

All the best,

Oliver

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cadice
11/1/2014 04:57:59 pm

Hi I know this is an old topic.
But I have a huge problem. . I get turned on by abusive men. Iv started noticing its a problem because even when I watch movies and I see an angry man I just get turned on.. as I grow older its becoming a huge problem coz I tend to provoke my partner so that he can get angry amd id get fulfilled wen I see him all angry
Do I need to see some one about this?
.

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Oliver J R Cooper link
12/1/2014 02:13:26 am

Hello Cadice,

I am sure this is normal based on what is going on with you and your past experiences, but it doesn't mean it is functional.

And as for do you need to see someone, that is something you have to decide.

Oliver

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mj
3/9/2016 03:16:30 pm

You may be interpreting fear for excitement.

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Dan
1/9/2014 05:34:01 pm

Hi Oliver,
I'm kind of confused that in response to Candice's question "Do I need to see some one about this?" you wrote, "And as for do you need to see someone, that is something you have to decide." Of course it's up to her to decide, but wouldn't it be more helpful to say, "Yes, it would be helpful to see a therapist about this"...the reason being that if she's drawn to abusive men, some of the things that abusive men do are physically violent. So to me it's a no brainer that she needs help instead of just accepting this as the norm and continue doing it. Very weird advice.

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Oliver JR Cooper link
2/9/2014 02:22:26 am

Hello Dan,

I can see your point and let me state it another way. I am not here to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do, but as I state in the article, I do recommend therapy. However, seeing a therapist is not the only option. There is also the option for her to read up about this, to gain a deeper understanding and then she can decide what is the best option.

All the best,

Oliver

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Why
20/9/2014 08:17:44 pm

It hurts me to know that the woman I loved was married to a man who was much older than her, did not give her anything, as the article says shamed her in front of her family and her family. Yet, she did not accept what I tried to give her, often scolding me for not knowing what she needed, and giving me mixed signals. I'm no great ladies man, despite my ability to get phone numbers, but I am intelligent or good looking enough. I was shy sexually, and sometimes think that this was the main issue. Why would a woman not be happy when I love her, and try to point out my flaws? Why would this same woman fall in love with a man who was much older,worked in a dead end job all his life, was abusive, irresponsible, and outright a rotten man with no respect or love for this woman?

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Oliver JR Cooper link
21/9/2014 06:16:04 am

Hello,

thanks for opening up about this, and I'm sorry to hear about what you have gone through.

The kind of people we're attracted to are often a reflection of how our caregiver/s treated us. And for some people, these early years can be abusive. This is because these experience are familiar and therefore safe. And unless one becomes conscious and processes what took place, they will continue to repeat what happened in their adult relationships.

So there is the fact that this woman is attracted to men who are abusive and then there is what is going on for you. What matters is that you take care of yourself and do what you need to do to attract a woman that is healthy.

There are a number of articles in the Men's Psychology and the Relationship section that may help.

All the best,

Oliver



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tt
8/10/2014 04:05:04 pm

Hi
I would like to say thank you for this article it has been very helpful. I have been attracting abusive men since I was just a child. There is all different kinds of abuse. Mental, emotional,and physical. All of which takes a toll on our lives and how we choose to live. I realize now that if all you,ve known your whole life is abuse that's what you will accept if you never seek help to understand and change. I have recently been going through a situation with an abuser that was the object of my affection. We weren't even dating yet because I took some years to myself to get my thoughts together about myself. I told myself 5yrs ago after my last relationship went south that I would never allow another man to treat me bad. If the way that he approached wasn't in a positive way he couldn't even get his foot in the door with me. So this guy was a coworker and had came onto me before and I shot him down right away I told him I wasn't looking for a relationship I was working on me for now. He quit from this job but we kept in contact with each other over a 4yr period he had gone through a lot of hardships over this time period and I just felt like he was changing so this yr I started allowing him to get closer. Last month was my birthday and he offered to take me out he offered to pay for everything. I was so excited that he wanted to take me out and he seemed really genuine. That soon went right out the window. A couple of days later he told me that he wanted to have sex but that I shouldn't bath before because that is how he wanted me. When I refused he totally lost his mind and started raising his voice at me about how disrespectful I was being to him and that he has many other women on stand by that have no problem with giving him what he wants. I deleted him from my phone and he continues to keep texting and calling me trying to argue with me about how he doesn't want me and doesn't need a woman like me and of course I have to ask the question " then why do you keep contacting me" he keeps insisting that Im the one who contacts him. From your article and some of the others comments I think I have gained some understanding into why I keep replying to his contact. I had developed feelings for the man he was pretending to be as Deb Ganney said His mask fell off and the true abuser came full force. I told him he was an abuser and he just kept saying he had been abused and had watched his father abuse his mother and that I was wrong about him and I was the one who needed the help not him. I feel as tho if I had gone through with a relationship with him I might not have made it out alive this time.... Thanks

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Oliver JR Cooper link
8/10/2014 04:22:22 pm

Hello tt,

thanks for writing that and i'm pleased the article has assisted you.

I hope you get the assistance you need to move beyond this, so that you're able to attract healthy men into your life.

All the best,

Oliver

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Diana link
29/1/2015 01:33:53 am

I loathe myself sometimes for being physically attracted to and longing for the abusive persons that have been in my life. I have had two seriously abusive relationships. The first was in my mid-twenties. I remember sitting on a bed with him in a hotel that I paid for him to stay in and feeling so completely comfortable with him. So completely at-ease. He was my first experience with a real criminal and I remember not being able to fathom that anyone could possibly do the things that he did. A few weeks into the relationship I realized that he was helping himself to my bank account; had copied my pin when I was withdrawing money to loan him. I confronted him and exclaimed, “I never want to see you again!” Some more weeks passed and I could not stop myself from urgently longing for him. What he had done did not diminish my physical attraction for him and longing to be with him. I reconnected, believed his emphatic apologies and excuses and proceeded to engage with him for almost five years. The relationship blossomed from thievery, lies, and infidelity to physical abuse and stalking. I neglected my daughter and lied to her and my mother countless times to be with him. The only way I was able to move on was when he was physically removed from me and in prison. He was gone long enough for me to follow through with a restraining order and begin to appreciate a life mostly free of drama and danger. I have felt disgust with myself over the years for exposing myself and my family to the abuse and crime that he operated by. I carry profound guilt over exposing my mother to his thievery. I often lament, that I wasted five years tied up with him.
Flash forward to 2010 to an AA meeting in the park where I start to notice the attentions of a meth-addict about 3 months sober. He was weird and erratic but harmless, I came to believe. I longed for the attention he gave me and went out with him. He was completely loving and gentlemanly during our first time hanging out. I remember walking with him on the beach and feeling my intuition alarm telling me I do not want to get tied up with him. I told it to shut up and that I would be ok; I would not become vulnerable with him. After spending a day with him, I recognized that I was attracted to him physically and I was lured by his stellar past thinking that he had such potential; was probably too good for me, even.
I realized early on that he played a victim role and lacked empathy. Despite having traveled all over the world, graduating from and playing football at Harvard, he had spent the last ten years living off women and chasing his addictions, I was to find out later. After dating him for almost three months, he relapsed and I flew in with my codependent superpowers to save (enable) him. Never mind the fact that he was a recent meth user and I had a teenage daughter living with me and was becoming a teacher.
I engaged in a cycle of welcoming him, enjoying my superior human and savior status and his profound appreciation, rejecting and ousting him from my life, shocked that he could do and say such things, and then missing him a few weeks down the road and seeking him out and reactivating the whole cycle, with the enjoying and appreciating phase diminishing or absent. I remember him arriving at my door having lived as a homeless junkie for weeks. I would encourage him to shower and give him clean clothes and proceed to cuddle and kiss him. I would engage in sexual relations with him after only a day or two of hygiene and sobriety. I am still dumfounded over how I could still be physically attracted to him. After he proved to be drug-addled, crazy, and dangerous I am still attracted to him.
I am aware of my subconscious longing to “fix” the dysfunctional relationship with my father and how that affects the longing and comfort that I feel with emotionally unavailable and abusive men. But how do I forgive myself for the choice to pursue that comfort, knowing that I am not protecting myself and my family?
My status with the addict (currently in recovery) is no contact with chance of this finally being the end. If he showed up at my door, I would want nothing but to hug and kiss him and I hate myself for that. The last few interactions with him were filled with animosity and resentment from both participants. I think about him frequently but usually it is resentful with some fantasy that he will repent and recover and be what I want. I know this is not reality. Moving on is hard for everyone whether ending an abusive relationship or a “normal” relationship.

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Oliver JR Cooper link
29/1/2015 04:18:05 am

Hello Diana,

thanks for sharing that. It is clear that you have been through a lot here.

As to forgiveness; what you feel is what you feel, and Judging yourself is not going to make it better.

However, as you can see, this whole dynamic is not healthy. Moving on is hard and this is why support is so important.

The need to get from others what your father couldn't ( or wouldn't) give you is going to mean that you have unmet childhood needs. These will need to be grieved.

My suggestion would be for you to reach out for support. To find a therapist and/or a support group that will allow you do to the feeling work and to do what you can to be around healthy people.

All the best,

Oliver

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Ines
12/4/2015 09:40:36 am

Absolutely the best research on this subject I have read so far. It is such a difficult process and it is just better to look at the source of abussive relationships and it's sources instead of the continious comments on being abused or not. Very clear and very helpful! Thank you!

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Oliver JR Cooper link
12/4/2015 09:49:41 am

Hello Ines,

thank you for your feedback.

I'm pleased to hear that this has assisted you.

All the best,

Oliver

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Julie
17/6/2015 02:27:09 pm

Thank you very helpful I have been in a relationship for 8 years on and off I have already left a horrible marriage. I think the point of being familiar is very true it's almost as if I am uncomfortable and disbelieve someone who is nice to me.

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Oliver JR Cooper link
18/6/2015 03:30:30 am

Hello Julie,

I'm pleased that that article has assisted you, and I hope that you are able to move forward.

All the best,

Oliver

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Holly
27/8/2015 11:41:24 am

This article has been very helpful for me. I was abused by my father as a child and have had a string of abusive relationships. In a strange kind of way i have been floating through life not taking in the outside world, like just existing and going from one bad situation to the next. Recently the connection was pointed out to me between my childhood and my recent partners. I have just started therapy as i was severely depressed and im realising that in a weird way i was attracted to abusive men because i thought it was the norm. It is very confusing for me but im coming to terms with what is normal and what is abuse.. I cannot wait to start a normal life and see what its like to have loving friendships and partners as i've never had one

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Oliver JR Cooper link
27/8/2015 01:06:42 pm

Hello Holly,

thanks for getting in touch.

Its good to hear that you are now reaching out for support. You are now in a postilion to gradually move froward, and through putting in the work, you will start to attract loving relationships.

All the best,

Oliver

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Ken
26/11/2015 02:56:26 am

I think I dated a woman recently who has an "early wound" that makes her gravitate toward abusive men. She said her mother was abusive to her, "body shaming" her and acting "crazy." She also said she thought her abusive ex-husband was like her mother.
I was not abusive to her, but she ended up leaving me after two months and returning to her old boyfriend who was psychologically abusive and intimidating. It's very discouraging, but I think she will have to become aware of her own situation. I can't do it for her.

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Oliver JR Cooper link
6/12/2015 08:16:58 pm

Hello Ken,

thanks for commenting.

Thats true, there is only so much you can do. There would be no point in ruining your own life in order to help her.

All the best,

Oliver

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Eliza link
29/1/2016 04:11:08 am

I was married to an abusive man who walked out after our twins were born. One baby had serious medical issues and my husband literally just walked out when they were four months old!
I was a single mom for the next ten years. But meanwhile I had to put up with the kids dad my ex and all his control and manipulation.
Finally I had enough and told him to get lost or at least see the kids and leave me alone. Well that wasn't the right thing to say and next thing I know in in a custody fight!! The kids were almost seven years old at this time and my ex is a lawyer so he knew how to pull this off! We live in a small town and he lied about me in open court and of course we were there with his professional peers.
I fought for all I was with and I won!!
During this time I met a man who said he would never treat me this way, said he wanted to help me and protect me, show the kids how a man should treat their mother and all that.
So I married him and guess what? He was just as bad as the first and also ended up walking out when I would not be bullied!
It's been demoralizing and extremely difficult, but I'm surviving. Back to being a single mother and angry that I fell for it.
Thank you for the article it was insightful.

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Oliver JR Cooper link
29/1/2016 11:11:44 am

Hello Eliza,

thank you for your comment.

It sound like you have been through a lot. I hope you are able to reach out for the right support so that you can put an end to this.

All the best,

Oliver

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srkmdn
1/2/2016 01:46:44 am

I was abused very young and since i have been in and out of relationships with the kind of men who no one deserves , i am so confused i generally don't understand why and i feel responsible like i seek them out . Only 3 people knew about it (the abuse was not in my family and my family still are unaware). i feel myself slipping back into a state of mental childhood and sicken'd that i find myself so comfortable with men who are cruel , i don't enjoy it but its so familiar i stay there and have no idea how to get away

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Oliver JR Cooper link
1/2/2016 07:51:00 pm

Hello,

my advice would be for you to reach out for support, and this is something that can be provided by a therapist and/or a support group.

All the best,

Oliver

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Sk
2/2/2016 02:23:50 am

I must say, even though I found your article useful, your readers' comments were even more so, mainly because I can relate to them. I, like a lot of women drawn to abusive men, was abused as a child: sexually, emotionally, physically, verbally and not just by one person. Therapy has shown me that I became a co-dependent at a young age. I learnt to try keeping my abuser happy, that way the abuse wouldn't be as bad or as often. But abusers are never happy and will always find something to pick on.
All the relationships I've been in have been abusive in some form. They start off as nice,funny,charming guys who everyone likes. Then the put-downs start,comments about my weight/looks. They make me feel stupid,or try to,even though I know I'm highly intelligent, they will insist that I am wrong. I choose not to argue,even though I am correct, I allow them to have the satisfaction of thinking they have one over on me.
I put my needs aside,they come first,I don't matter. I tell myself that if I let them have everything they want,the way they want it,then they would realise how much I love them and then they will finally start thinking about me. But it's never enough,"everything" is not enough. I gave me ex of 10 years absolutely everything. My life revolved around him, nothing came before him. I had no friends, social life, distant from family,he did not even want me to be close to his family. I went to work, came straight home,did housework,cooked cleaned took care of our child. I had no hobbies,activities,interests-well I did but couldn't pursue them as he gambled everything and refused to look after our child so that I could go to the gym- he couldn't let me have an hour to myself, once a week even though he was always on at me to lose weight. I had to phone him at least every 2 hours and he would make impromptu calls to me,if i didnt answer straight away, he would shout down the phone,I work in an office,yet he thought it was suspicious that I lower my voice when I spoke to him on the phone. He never complimented me, not even on our wedding day and he never felt bad when my feelings were hurt. He always stole,so much and so regularly that it became normal. Right now,I am feeling so much anger as in my vulnerability after leaving him, i met another man who was also abusive. This one wanted to know everything, i thought he cared but what he did was made me totally expose my emotional weaknesses,stuff from my childhood and broken marriage and he turned them around and used them to make me feel worse, to emotionally abuse me. I don't think I can trust a man again, I think that's the safest way for me. I'm so angry that there are people like my ex,abusers who go through life destroying people. They are parasites. I want to live a happy life and one day,when my child is older,meet a lovely man who will respect me, be kind and genuine. But I'm drawn to such men, I get jealous of other women who have lovely husbands/boyfriends and think to myself: I'm a nice,caring, respectful, kind person,why don't mention like that want me? I still have a lot of work to do,I'm learning to love myself,re-discovering myself- I had dreams before. In the mean time,I think it's best I remain single and keep men at arms length, especially the ones I'm drawn to.

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Oliver JR Cooper link
11/2/2016 07:27:03 pm

Hello SK,

i'm pleased to hear that the article and the comments have assisted you.

It sounds like you have the right approach with staying single and working on yourself.

All the best,

Oliver

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Isaac
11/2/2016 03:53:25 pm

There's always the possibility that the woman (Or man) is a Masochist, which literally means "the condition in which sexual or other gratification depends on one's suffering physical pain or humiliation." in which case, as long as the abusive party does love and care for the abused party, I see nothing wrong with the relationship.

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Oliver JR Cooper link
2/3/2016 01:04:24 am

Hello Isaac,

that is true, and if that is the case, it wouldn't be abuse.

But this is an article that is about women who are attracted to abusive men. So it is a completely different context.

All the best,

Oliver

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Lyn
13/7/2017 06:40:00 am

Surely masochism has it's roots firmly embedded in confusing pain & fear with intimacy. Why would you say a masochistic role is not about being abused. Of course it is! It's just about agreeing to the abuse on a conscious level. Please call a spade a spade.

Lyn
13/7/2017 06:34:33 am

OMG! Perhaps you see no problem with rape either? After all, don't the guys who do that say 'ah, she wanted it!' Also, isn't the whole sado/maso thing just another way of fulfilling the abuser and abused roles?

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Samantha Johnstone
28/2/2016 07:35:29 pm

This is a very good article to read and the comments resonate with me alot. Firstly I left an toxic abusive relationship 2 years ago after 15 years together but since then i seem to have attracted the same abusive type of men. So I started to make a list of all the men's characteristics and they where all very similar. Once I started doing this i started to build a clearer picture of what are positive characteristics are and how to identify non abusive men. I am yet to have one in my life but there is no rush I suppose and the longer it takes for me to find I am sure it will be the right one.

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Oliver JR Cooper link
1/3/2016 10:38:51 am

Hello Samantha,

thank you for leaving your comment.

It sounds like you are on the right track.

Keep up the good work,

Oliver

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Tammy
9/3/2016 03:32:56 pm

all I can say is WOW. I thought after years of not having experienced this. I went thru a divorce after 28 years of marriage of a non-abuser, then I met an abusive person again.

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Oliver JR Cooper link
11/3/2016 12:52:51 am

Hello Tammy.

thank you for getting in touch.

I'm sorry to hear about what happened. I hope you're able to move on from this.

All the best,

Oliver

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Rebecca
27/3/2016 07:59:59 pm

I found this very insightful and well written. Like most commenters here, I've also been abused. My father has always been aggressive and I internalised feelings of worthlessness after having them projected onto me. From adolescence onwards I dealt with abusers - I was even kidnapped and assaulted. As a result of my low self esteem I accepted the abuse. I would have men grab me in the street while my boyfriend watched. I thought, 'this is normal'.

I've stopped dating now so the issue is minimised. But I'd like to add that therapy exacerbated my feelings of worthlessness. I'm sure there are decent therapists out there but a lot of them are more interested in monetary gain. In my first year as a psychology student my professor told us we knew more than most of the therapists working in the UK.

Therapists definitely need adequate training before dealing with vulnerable subjects and this isn't always the case. All of my therapists over the years have blamed me. They would plant negative thoughts in my head that I'd never considered. I was recommended therapy after the kidnapping and once I had told the therapist I didn't need more help, she replied, "there must be something else in your life that's going badly'.

I don't intend to dismiss therapy - I know a few people who have benefitted from it. But I would also be very cautious and ensure that the person is adequately trained and genuinely knows about psychology. People who go for therapy are in a vulnerable position and it can have dangerous repercussions if the subject invests all their energy and belief in their therapist as a reliable and authoritative source of help.

But thank you for this article. It definitely resonated with me. Articles like this, along with my formal studies, are incredibly helpful in allowing me to deal with my experiences and the constant stream of victim-blaming.

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Oliver JR Cooper link
29/3/2016 09:02:48 pm

Hello Rebecca,

thank you for leaving this comment.

I'm sorry to hear about the experiences you have had through working with therapists, as well as your experiences with abusive men. And as you say, it is important for someone to make sure a therapist knows what they're doing.

I was speaking to a therapist a while ago and he spoke about how not every therapist is at the same level, so to speak.

If you would like to share the experiences you have had with therapists, feel free to get in touch. I would be happy to write an article about this area.

All the best,

Oliver

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Missy
11/4/2016 02:14:46 am

I don't get it. How can you be attracted to something bad and painful?? I was abused as a child and everything about it screamed in my face that I wanted NOTHING to do with anyone who was abusive. The moment a guys starts getting bossy or raises his voice or even remotely becomes aggressive or abusive, I kick him to the curb. I would never allow any man to abuse me. I was abused for over a decade and it NEVER became normal. I never liked it. It was never familiar. I never once thought I deserved it. I never dreamed of finding an abusive man. I never accepted even a guy who was a simple jerk let alone abusive. Im sorry I dont get why people choose suffering when then could choose not suffering. It makes no sense to me.

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Oliver JR Cooper link
11/4/2016 11:43:48 am

Hello,

this is something that can be hard to understand.

In life, not everyone responds in the way way to something. So if you do want to understand why this takes place, then continue to read about people put up with it.

Through doing this and putting yourself in their shoes (experiencing empathy), it may gradually start to make sense.

All the best,

Oliver

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Anand link
13/4/2016 10:22:30 am

I've seen my dad abuse my mom my entire life and i'm almost 18. What does this spell out for the rest of my life? I've been attracted to some guys and what always occurs is that i deem them "too nice" and my attraction for them falls. What am I supposed to do to change this pattern and save myself from an abusive partner?

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Oliver JR Cooper link
13/4/2016 10:53:32 am

Hello Anand,

thank you for getting in touch.

The main thing is that you'are aware of what is taking place.

My suggestion would be for you to work with a therapist and/or to read books on this area and then to apply what you learn.

All the best,

Oliver

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Mandy Riccobena
20/10/2016 09:50:36 am

I have had much abuse.
From being sexually abused by my cousins when very young, to recently in the last year being romantically connected to a narcissist.
I feel I will never be able to have the relationship I desire as in this day and age I feel all men just want want want and that leaves no room for my needs.

I gave the narcissist a taste of his own medicine.
Something snapped and broke for good after experiencing him and I now feel sheer hate for most men.
Men's opinion of women stinks these days.
Religion is the curse that women have had to suffer.
If the bible was written today, it would be classed as a hate crime towards women.
Religion is behind all those cultureless rednecks abuse. And they are so cultureless that they don't even know that the feelings they have regarding women stem from religion.
Religion is evil and controlling.

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Oliver JR Cooper link
24/10/2016 01:27:34 pm

Hello Mandy,

thank you for your comment.

In sorry to hear about what you have been going through. My suggestion would be for you to work with a therapist.

All the best,

Oliver

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Tim
18/11/2023 12:11:25 am

My god. What happened to you. If this is the Mandy I knew ? I didn’t know those things. I cannot say my feelings for you but I will always be there to help you if you need me. Xx

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Courtney Lo
20/12/2016 01:12:10 am

I have a female cousin that really seems to be attracted to abusive men. I don't mean that she gets a nice guy and then the guy turns violent... There have been situations where the guy actually tells her (upfront) that he is abusive or "makes his women get in line by force or by choice". In most of her relationships she really isn't a victim, but seemingly a willing participant in the madness. I believe that she is also abusive to her boyfriends also. Can you shed some light on this? My cousin is a successful doctor, nice looking. Most times she portrays herself as the victim... Misleading willing listeners with stories that have details left out that would change the entire dynamic of the story being told. For example... She would tell you how abusive her boyfriend was, but leave out that she knew he was abusive before she started dating him or leave out that her friend earned her not to get with this particular guy before she actually had any time invested with him

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Oliver JR Cooper link
20/12/2016 08:33:43 pm

Hello Courtney,

thank you for your comment.

It seems as though she needs a lot of attention, for whatever reason. Unless she is able to take a step back and to see what part she is playing, it is unlikely that her life will change.

All the best,

Oliver

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Tempe Jean Arizona
21/1/2017 05:03:16 am

Wow, this sounds like my daughter. I left her father when she was 6 because of his violence. When he began strangling me and the kids saw and started screaming I left. I thought I left before any damage had been done, but my daughter has been in physical and emotional abusive relationships. She is having a breakdown right now, because she wants him back, despite the emotional abuse he puts her through. The hateful, hateful comments, the blame he puts on her. She would do anything for him. He did nothing for her. Not even driving her to the store. She would walk and carry groceries back for him. I don't know how to help her. If I had left earlier maybe she wouldn't allow men to do this.

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Oliver JR Cooper link
4/2/2017 02:57:18 pm

Hello Tempe Jean Arizona,

this sounds like a complex situation. You can offer your assistance, but you cant force her to do anything.

You could suggest that she works with a therapist.

All the best,

Oliver

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